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worst sports calls of all time. natalie? >> mary joe says the botched call at the end of the jo saysl at the end of the seahawks games last year. >> tons of nominations, perfect game taken away. i'm depressed about the patriots game. i want to see them fumble. i feel better today. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ countdown two on victorina. that's hit in the corner. it's gone! a grand slam! >> oh, my lord. >> unbelievable. >> good morning.
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it is a good morning isn't it barnacle. >> everybody in the stadium, you see a lot of people there, we were all there, including phil and his son johnson, my agent. and we, everybody didn't want him to bat. he had a bad series the first time. he got hit by a pitch and everybody stood up and applaud. like the bad news bear and yet he hits a grand slam. >> good morning, everyone, it's monday, october 21st. >> we pretend we can't talk about this. >> we have a lot of other stuff to talk about as well. i understand you're happy. mike barn cal is with us. "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halperin is with us. in washington, sam stein. >> where does the grand slam
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rank red sox moments? >> i would tell you this about the season, like greatest sox season because of the yankees and nobody had ever done that. '07 was just like, we're becoming what we claimed we have been like. buy be superstars. this year got to rank as one of the great red sox seasons. these are a bunch of kids that at the beginning of the year -- i know a lot of people get paid very well. for the most part you see guys like middlebrooks and drew and johnny, there's so many guys out there that may not be starting on other teams and we wake up and suddenly, you know, the best relief pitching i've seen. he wasn't that good a year or two ago. one of these weird things where everything clicked this year. >> certainly one of the most surprising teams i think ever
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assembled because of the component parts. johnny gomes, koji uehara, the relief pitcher -- >> who was average at best two years ago. inhe had a couple of good years. not last we're. signed as a free agent. with the texas rangers last year. he has been unhittable since july. it's where they came from. it's the fact that you don't have, with the exception of ortiz, you don't have any huge recognizable superstar names on that roster. >> answer the question, though, victorino's grand slam, beat a team we shouldn't have beaten. they out pitched us. they had bad coaching. pitchers were lights out. but, that ortiz grand slam that brought the sox back after they basically had a no hit for two games, that will go down -- it's
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as big as any home run in sox history. >> you have the accompanied photograph which adds to the mythology of it with the cop going like that. >> your screen saver. >> before that was dave roberts stealing second base and he'll change that again in eight years. seriously. that's how big that was. >> you have two best teams in the world series. best record in each league. >> can i say we're screwed because we haven't been talking about central time zone teams this year which means they are going to win the world series. >> all right. stop, stop. today in a rose garden speech president obama is expected to call the glitchy roll out of healthercare.gov unacceptable. over the weekend the administration acknowledged the site hasn't lived up to expectation. now officials have made a series of minor fixes that are mostly cosmetic, intended to help people get information about signing up, but not to remove glitches. at the top of the list a clear
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message telling people they can also sign up by phone. the administration has promised to tech surge to tack tell problems. it's unclear how many personnel that will involve or when that's going to happen. experts told the "new york times" that as many as 5 million lines of software code may need to be rewritten, and that problems with registering are masking problems that will happen later. the administration has touted public interest in the program saying 19 million have visited the site and associated press reports 476,000 people filled out applications but the government declined to say how many people have actually enrolled. without those numbers there's no way of knowing whether it's on track to sign up 7 million projected to take part in the program during the first six months. meanwhile pressure mounts on health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius to testify at a hearing about this
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and the problematic launch this week. >> why wouldn't she? i know she doesn't want to. if you're the head of an agency and congress wants to know, it's not like, you know, we're going to get the secretary of defense to come on over. >> she's very, very, very busy. >> this is the crisis that the administration is facing. if you have both izra kline and barack obama saying the launch is a failure. because he's the guy that study this stuff and not exactly a right-wing blogger and now you're saying the president saying it's unacceptable this is a big enough problem that she needs to get out there and tell us what happened. >> the roll out is unacceptable the secrecy is unacceptable. it begins with how many people have enrolled. but in addition, you search in
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vein for answers to lots of questions. tom costello jobs lots of other reporters asked them every day for basic information. >> why don't they give it? >> when government is in crisis they withhold information. >> i'm not being ideological. these people want to run our health care system. and they want to be the grand organizer, the great organizers of what's most important to most americans over the age of 35 or 40. and yet they are not telling us what's going on with our system that they want to run? >> as mark has pointed out, they are lying about it now. they are lying about it. they are not depriving us of information they are outright lying about what's going on. >> give me specifics. what are they lying about. >> they are lying about the numbers of those who enrolled. the numbers who made the process complete. the numbers of people who have actually signed up. a couple of other things.
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but the larger point is they keep using the word unacceptable. this is outrage jourks itous. it's not unacceptable. they had two years to pull this together. you can go out to california and find five people to put it together in six seconds. >> maybe she could go on the "daily show" and explain how -- >> you know, willie is an i.t. guy. >> did that fix work? >> it did. it did! download the update. >> that's it. >> so, here's a crazy thing that's bizarre. they go according to tom costello. they go to canada. they go to canada to get the system and it doesn't work. the canadian government had
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already fired them. you know, it's going to cost you $55 million. you turn around and it's like one of your parties at your parents' house the price tag ends up being $292 million. we actually had zeppelin on jet packs. >> it was worth it. >> took a while to get 292 million -- >> glitches there too. >> seriously, it's laughable. >> it is. you ask the question why don't they say how many people have enrolled that leaves one to believe that not many people have enrolled. if you look at the reporting in the "new york times," health care executives say the numbers they are getting back are not big. the numbers they preticketed for enrollment sam stein are going to be met. >> yeah. this is not a great roll out.
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you know, obviously they should put another button on the website that says, apply by phone and another one that says no, seriously apply by phone. they don't have the internet capacity right now to do anything. fundamental disclosure. my wife works for the administration. she's involved in congressional oversight at risk of getting a divorce i think kathleen sebelius obviously should testify. the administration has been way too secretive. i don't think they lied. >> sam, why have they been so secretive? >> i think it's a mix of things. one is they were generally taken by surprise at least the top end of the administration was. this was a cms enterprise. it seems from all of the reporting and from what i can gather up until very recently they didn't realize how bad this was going to go out. no one beta tested the site which is almost criminal when you think about it. the president was caught
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offguard which is unfortunate and really, you know, kind of messed up. so you need have someone who brings accountability to the process. i wouldn't be surprised if a few people lost their jobs. this starts basically explaining to congress and to the american public what went wrong and that's a very low bar for the administration to hit. >> sam, who at the top of the administration do you think was caught by surprise by this? >> well certainly the president was from what i can gather. >> how? how? >> it's not like he's sitting there testing beta websites. >> nobody was obviously. >> clearly no one was. >> the people running it were sure it would work. >> they put a lot of trust in this contractor and then maneuvered the deadline to confuse it. you promised this to the american people. the fact of the matter is it didn't work. >> if this is, mark halperin,
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the biggest launch the government has done in ages, shouldn't they be concerned -- i certainly would -- people running the most important site in your presidency, in your presidency depends on this working. right? yeah. they just got fired by the canadian government. aren't they canadian? yeah. okay. we better get talking. get moving. listen. here's the difference between the government and the private-sector. if this happened in the private-sector at a big company, and let's say the federal government is about as big as it gets, the person responsible would be gone and the firemen would be rushing in and they would be working around the clock 24/7 and they would clear out the people that screwed it up. you can't do that in the federal government, of course, because these people that screwed it up
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are protected by union laws. but in the private-sector they would all be cleared out and you would have the top people at google and yahoo! and you name it in there fixing this. >> here's three things we know. first of all best and the brightest. that phrase is ironically. the end of the book doesn't end that well. >> we lose. >> number two, every reporter who penetrates this, willie mentioned the "new york times," any time there's penetration with good sourcing it's clear things are worse than they are saying and maybe significantly worse. the third thing this is not a partisan point. if they can't run the front end of this thing it's not government-run health care but a big role for the federal government in this, if they can't do this part how can people possibly be confident. >> this is signing up. sign up on these sheets and then we'll do a lot of really, really complicated things on the back end.
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they are not getting the front end right. >> say the president wasn't really aware, kathleen sebelius, this thing was farmed out this, is too big a deal not just for the president's political legacy but they are asking the country to trust this program. they need to fix this program with limited resources. >> that's one of the key points. this is the president's singular achievement. auth great one and potentially game changing achievement giving people health care in this country and to be so reticent about the problems that are going on it's kind of surprising. >> we got a couple of more bunch of new stories. he may not be and, in fact, you would think we would have discovered this a lot sooner but if not for the most liked man in washington or disliked man in washington he's got a hero's welcome in texas. senator ted cruz returning to his home state over the weekend receiving an eight minute standing ovation from supporters
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at a gathering in san antonio. cruz spoke about being back in the lonestar state and about his fight to defund obama care. >> having spent the past month up in d.c., it is really great to be back in america. imagine if when the house had passed a bill funding the federal government and defunding obama care, if senate republicans had simply said we're going to stand together united with house republicans and the american people and we're going to stand against the train wreck that's obama care. the house republicans marched into battle courageously. and the senate republicans should have come in like the calvary to support them. unfortunately, a significant chunk of senate republicans instead came like the air force and began bombing the house republicans, our own twoops. >> i don't know where to begin but the president would still
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have vetoed it no matter what. so none of that makes any sense. >> even if the senate -- >> yes. >> even if the senate -- >> calvary bombing. >> okay. >> former governor jeb bush offered ted cruz a little advice. take a listen. >> have a little bit of self medici self-restraint. it might be a better approach to see the massive destruction. republicans need to take a step back and show a little self-restraight and let this happen more organically. >> self-restraint. i got one on twitter. >> when it works. >> the twitter works. the twitter kids that are running twitter know how to run twitter. the twitter works. sometimes they go on there and listen to some of my favorite
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rock band. >> high volume. >> you click on it. >> oh, my god. i want to get to more news stories. >> so anyway, kids have been nice to me on the twitter lately. one of the things that does disturb me, and there's a strain and i hope it's loin 5% in the republican party that constantly says to me people like you, scott walker, and tom coburn are rhinos and you don't belong in our party. there's is a small strain, but those people don't understand, it's like kicking in somebody's back door in the middle of the night and us waking up in the morning and going down stairs and then going what are you doing in our house? no they are in our house. this is scott walker's party. and this is chris christie's party and this is jeb bush's party. and this is tom coburn's party
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and this is my party. it's not their party. not even close to that. so if you're saying scott walker is too liberal for your party chances are good you're in the wrong republican party, right? >> there's -- you were talking about lack of transparency on health care. what republicans are saying about ted cruz. behind-the-scenes they are just -- he's going iowa again on friday third trip in a year and he's pulled in his sails a little bit but still a big problem for the party. >> make no mistake somebody else said this, bracketted it out like the ncaa tournament. coming out of the ted cruz site. ted cruz and marco rubio if he can't help himself and rand paul, freshmen. lots of luck with that. over here you'll have chris christie and maybe jeb bush and they are going to call that
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establishment wing actually, the republican wing of the republican party. >> the winning wing. >> those are the ones. i've written about this for 80 years that's the wing that always wins. this wing over here make a little bit of noise in iowa, make a little bit of noise in the early states but then turn south to florida and go up to the midwest and northeast and this is the wing that always wins. the press always follow this wing because they are so much more fun watching them set their hair on fire. >> you brought up chris christie. to your point one of the major papers in new jersey, when you read it, you really get the sense they are getting behind -- >> i didn't think the star-ledger was ever nice to chris christie. >> the editorial board writes chris christie is the most remarkable political talent america has seen since bill clinton. if you haven't witnessed his performance at a town hall
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meeting yet make a point ifrt. you will come away convinced there is a sensible middle ground in america after all. that's all you need to read. the paper cites the govern's achievements when it comes to pension, health and tenure reform. and changes to the higher education system. >> golly, why don't they get a room. come on. >> you keep raepding i don't think they want to get a room. the paper continues this way. balance that against his measurable failures and you have to conclude he's much better at politics than he is at government. his ego is entertaining but it's done damage as well. our own view is that christie is overrated. his spin is way ahead of his substance. the editorial board explains the only reason they are supporting christie is his spoent a deeply
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flawed candidate that lacks the ability to become governor. what just happened? >> what's happening in virginia? >> we can go there because our friend terry mcauliffe got a very big endorsement. fun event to watch. it was hillary clinton who made an appearance, one of her first -- >> this is crazy because willie and i were just talking this past weekend. we thought she was going to endorse cuccinelli. >> they are long time family friends with terry mcauliffe. she gave a pitch. >> recently in washington, unfortunately, we have seen examples of the wrong kind of leadership. when politicians choose scorched earth over common ground, when they operate in what i call the evidence free zone that's not the kind of leadership we need
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in virginia and america today. supporting and voting fortierry mcauliffe will make you proud of yourselves, of this commonwealth and yes of our country. >> this week hilary's husband former president bill clinton will join mcauliffe for three days on the campaign trail but one endorsement for the democrat won't be getting is from the richmond times dispatch. the paper announced they are endorsing no one. rejecting the candidacies of both mcauliffe and republican cuccinelli saying the state's third-party candidate has run a better race but still not a qualified option for governor. >> they are leaving it open. >> this race right now and i heard some people last week talk about this race it's been over for some time. don't believe that. for a couple of reasons. one, they are bringing in bill and hilary. you have terry mcauliffe that in virginia the whole carpet bagger
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thing may have a ring to it. secondly u-got this libertarian candidate swooping up. and cuccinelli is about as hard core as you can get on economic conservatism, more hard core than me when he talks about social security and medicare basically. i think something along the lines of socialism. he goes further on those two. i'm not sure that some of those library tarri-- librarertarians really? i understand cuccinelli has an uphill battle. i wonder if virginians will say i don't want terry mcauliffe to be my governor because virginia governors whether democrat or republican they are all kind of the same kind of guy.
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>> terry has run a decent race and i think you're right it will be closer, be what virginia resident calls natural tightening so maybe he'll win by two or three or four rather than eight or nine but most national republicans have given up on this race and were skeptical of cuccinelli. it's not a pure bellwether of anything but terry has run a more central race than cuccinelli and there's a huge gender gap which wasn't hurt by hillary clinton coming in for him. >> it will be close. what's he saying? >> coming up on "morning joe" -- >> does he say something analysty about him. >> kevin brady join us and julie page will preview the world series. getting to the fascinating piece with dr. nanunanimounancy snyde.
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27 past the hour. >> let's take a look at the morning papers, mika. let's start with "san francisco chronicle". >> sure. a parade of papers. no end in sight for the bay area rapid transit strike as it enters its first full work week. the san francisco area faced gridlock all weekend. federal investigators are looking into the deaths of two transit workers who were killed by an out of control train. >> "the washington post," jpmorgan chase settled with the justice department for overselling faulty mortgages. the bank agreed to pay $13 billion. largest penalty ever paid by a single company.
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jpmorgan and its executives may face criminal prosecution. >> tampa bay times two killers who forged their way out of prison in florida are back in police custody this morning. check out dramatic video that you can see on heavily armed u.s. marshal storming the coconut grove motor inn. police say they received a tip from one of the convicts close soeshs. they arrested joseph jenkins and charles walker. they used bogus court documents to get out of prison even though they were serving life sentences. >> a german magazine said the nnamdi asomugha hacked the e-mail account of former mexican president felipe calderon. mexico is calling the hacking unlawful and unacceptable and won't be sending a diplomatic
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note the u.s. "l.a. times" remake of the horror classic "carrie" failed to over take gravity which remains number one for the third week in a row. the film made $31 million to bring its total to 170 million. "captain phillips" was second. cloudy with a chance of meat balls 2 and escape plan rounded out the top five. movie about wikileaks founder julian assange was a box office disaster. the fifth estate made $1.7 million making at any time worst opening debut for any movie this year. >> who saw that coming? willie and i wanted to go see this movie. only if we had a gun stuck to
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the back of our head. >> stop. go to willie. >> i was busy this weekend watching vanderbilt beat georgia. >> can you believe that? >> how about that. the lives. i was in the building. biggest win in the school's history. >> and your graduation? >> that was a miracle. let's go mike allen. mike, good morning. >> good morning willie. >> let's talk a little business. your big top story on the site, talking about the shutdown affecti ining 2014 races includ for democrats. >> a lot of democratic candidates that the party had been recruiting are getting off the fence. they said no i don't think i'll go but after the shutdown, after the republican problems in the last few weeks, democratic officials tell us it's a lot easier to get people in. there's half a dozen key house races where the candidate that
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they wanted could have been holding back is now getting in. nebraska, new jersey, indiana, some of the states. one of the interesting familiar names that's thinking of jumping in is james lee witt, the fema director under president clinton. he's thinking of running for that seat in arkansas. the key fact willie about these people who are getting in is they are exactly the kind of democrats that the party thinks they need to win, moderate pro business candidate, the playbook from a couple of years ago. >> the shutdown and everything we saw a couple of weeks affect the 2014 outcomes. some say it's pivotal, some say by the time we get to those elections the shutdown will be long forgotten. >> republicans will tell you that it's early, the elections are a year away. these things tend to fade.
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but there's no question that republicans are back on their heels, make it harder for them to recruit. only bright spot for them, politico has a story out this morning that pointing out for democrats who run on health care, it's going to be a tough message for them in weeks ahead. how do you be supportive of obama care, supportive of the president and yet separate yourself from all the implementation problems and as you talked about what if computer problems turn into treatment problems then it's very difficult. that's the only factor that twisted it back for the democrats. snake allen with a look at the political playbook. coming up next a shootout in indianapolis. peyton manning's returning. andrew luck took center stage. we'll have highlights. plus, peter gammon of the mlb network looks ahead to the world series. busy morning in sports. we'll be right back. sfx: oil gushing out of pipe.
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we got a lot to talk about. talking to mike about nfl last night, peyton going back to indy, patriots pushing out a within in new york.
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joining us from boston, mlb analyst our good friend peter gammons. good to see you this morning. >> that's good. i hope you'll do a couple of shows from boston this week. >> i explained to phil who was at the game, you know, either we're doing the shows from boston thursday and friday morning or mike and i aren't glowing. world series starts wednesday night. >> wednesday night. >> this is so unhealthy for older guys like me that have to wake up at 4:00 in the morning. seriously, i'm about to die. we were still at the park at 1:00 in the morning. >> fans are still there. >> why don't you tell larry it needs to be moved earlier for -- >> give us an afternoon game. >> peter mentioned that repeatedly. >> they are so late, peter. >> they are very late. of course that may be more important for people our age than kids.
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however, walking home from fenway to my house at 2:00 in the morning, it's interesting experience. >> my concern was, mike, you know, we all grew up -- baseball is for kids too. a lot of kids cannot go to school the next day if they stay up past -- >> that's a good point. i totally agree. >> it's ridiculous. by the way, it's short sighted to say we need great rating when is they are choking off all future -- you know, there aren't going be any first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth graders with any memories of these world series because they have to go to school. >> wednesday and thursday nights, peter. games start at 8:00. cardinals a great organization. unless you're one of my kid you can't stay up that late. my kids had 53 absences in a month. talk about the st. louis cardinals, the match-up, peter,
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a terrific club. pujols leads. the home grown talent. incredible team. >> well, i mean the cardinals let pujols go they let kyle go. they are developing. they are the model organization ballgames on. they keep developing really good players. great pitching which i think will be a huge factor in this series and they, the tradition here -- >> great red sox team. >> the organization -- you go through the history. they play in the world series. 2004, jimmy fallon and drew barrymore but they are parallel organizations in a lot of ways. >> what is it about this red sox team? the worst the first is
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incredible. i was looking at the standings. rex were terrible last year. how does it happen this quickly. what do they do? >> well, for one thing they stabilized the pitching. the pitching has been pretty good. the personality. the tichs players. the first two players they signed as free acts were johnny gomes and david ross. it set the tone for the personality. david ortiz and dustin pedroia. you need people who are a little bit goofy and play hard to exist in a place like boston because boston, new york, philadelphia, are big markets but hard core fans and very critical. you can't have players that are really worried about what's wring about them or said on talk shows. how far to have people that are oblivious. gomes, victorino are hilarious.
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you hear the entire park singing that song every time he comes up. never thought i would hear bob marley going through the back bay. >> mike while we were watching victorino, you said something yesterday. don't worry. then they stop it and the fans sing ♪ it's going to be all right people stopped singing that because victorino had a crappie series and then the other night with bases loaded. >> bases loaded you obviously were there but for some reason or other the continuing phrase that the crowd picked up on, everything will be all right. it seemed to my ear it was louder and more unified than it had been for the last three or four games when he hadn't been hitting. it gave you the occasion gee maybe something will happen and did it. bucky victorino.
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>> i got a couple of texts from people saying it will be which i felt while he was coming up to the plate. but that personality on your team, understand two grand slams changed the entire series for ortiz and victorino and they both came after the best pitcher in the american league had to leave the game because they ran the pitch count up. that's also the relationship. >> go ahead, peter. >> this is a unique team in that there's a relationship between the city and the team. it was born in the marathon day bombings that their relationship is -- the players completely understood and grabbed it and understand boston and the fans in turn understand that these guys have represented the city -- they represented what happened and how people have been resilient and i mean my 43
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years of covering the red sox this is the most unique relationship between the team and the people that i've ever seen. >> all right, peter gammons. >> could be the tight bright red socks he wears up to his knee. >> no i think it's what happened in april. >> mlb tonight will air live on site before and after every world series game and we know peter will be right there. peter thank you so much for waking up with us. >> let me tell you something. how angry are you right now. >> severe lanier. >> pitches two great games. they take him out early in both of them. his last pitch was a strike that was called a ball. leyland takes him out and two grand slams follow. if scherzer says in -- >> let's talk football. >> how's it going?
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>> no baseball. >> a lot of people went to bed last night didn't see the end. peyton manning goes back to indy for the first time the city he left after 14 great years. got a great reception right here at the beginning of the game. >> he deserves it. it was a great moment. it was a great build up. the whole back and forth. there was no back and forth because peyton manning wouldn't engage. the colts had some choice comments this weekend. it just never really was a game. that's the rob. the colts steam roll the broncos. denver tried to get back into it. a lot of people think peyton wasn't the same after he took a hit in the second quarter. the colts got it done. for as bad as they looked on monday night in san diego that's how good they did. >> a lot of people said broncos will blow through the league. >> the injuries finally caught up with the broncos and vaughn
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miller their great linebacker at 1 1/2 sacks last year was back last night after a six game suspension. couldn't get the pass rush they wanted. the offensive line, fairly insignificant. >> both side n-die fans and peyton manning total class last night. a great moment. meanwhile in the broncos zone division, the chiefs worst in first in baseball. two wins last season. andrew reed comes in. still undefeated. >> last undefeated the team. cleveland browns coming to team next week. most likely 8-0 after 2-14 last year. they had a lot of good players. a lot of talented players. they got the quarterback position in control and that defense is going crazy. every week multiple sacks. >> i know they got a better quarterback. how you go from being a pathetic team to being looks like the class of the lead. >> shows you hour quarterback play is.
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quarterback servicing feign have all the other pieces it starts to fall together. this is a team that shouldn't have been 2-14 last year. maybe they shouldn't be 7-0 this year but they are. >> let's go the me dolaadowland. explain the penalty. >> is that new rule and fierce tooimts applied. it was a great 27-27 nobody expected that many points be scored. gino smith did a nice job of keeping the jets in it and pushing to it overtime. but ultimately when you get to overtime that's when, you know, it seems like every time these two teams get together something happens. new rule that prohibits teams on the defensive side of the fall in a field goal from pushing a teammate that's on the line of scrimmage. and it's a safety rule that was suggested by the players in the offseason because injuries
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happen in the offensive line you're leveraging guys. >> it has never been called. >> first year. >> is this really the time to call this play for the first time? >> but it's apparent that the patriots didn't understand the rule. they thought that it meant you couldn't have a guy who is behind the line of scrimmage come up and push. you can't have a guy on the line of scrimmage push another guy. jets lose a game. >> tough way. quickly did giants get their first win tonight at home against the vikings? >> yes. >> i think that's officially called in the rule book the referee bag job rule. mike great to see you. coming up next mika's must read opinion pages. >> will we have time?
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all right. 51 past the hour. time now for nuft read opinion pages. maureen dowd writes in the "new york times" cat on a hot stove. as mark twain said we should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that's in it lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. she will never sit down a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. and if obama is anything, he's a cold cat on a hot stove. washington is surpassingly nutty right now, but the founding fathers did build a system designed for factional warfare. when sweet reasonableness doesn't work, obama's default position is didactic disdain. he underuses the fear and charm cards. when he first saw the white house movie theater, he was
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surprised there were so many seats beyond what the first family would need. bill clinton on the other hand probably would have built a balcony and auctioned off seats if company have. >> sam stein, what do you think? >> well, you know, there's a mythology about there's a formula a president can use between charm and carrots and sticks basically if he used the right formula everything would go his way. you know, this isn't a science. obama has not charmed well enough and times where he hasn't stood his ground. each situation presents some challenges. he would argue or the administration would argue drawing tough lines in the sand over the shutdown and debt limit produced favorable results and then there's other cases where you don't. >> does the president pour on the charm now? suddenly his most ardent supporters are insulted if you
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are suggest that the president pick up the phone and call people on the senate on either side and work the phones hard like lbj. >> he tried that. all the data i have is the president re-learned the lesson he learned in his first term. when he does it nothing happens. why bother. why not do other things to try to put pressure on to make the change. he may be able to take the victory he had in this last round and go a different route than the schmooze right but there's official washington things he should try again. >> up next the associated press julie pace. we'll be back with much more "morning joe".
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♪ the sign up on the exchanges which was supposed to be the easy part of this endeavor has turned into a face could that the administration is struggling. >> obama care is a train wreck. visit to the website is a trip to the department of motor vehicles in your state. >> obama care is a debacle that will go into 2014. the shutdown should be in our virus mirror as republicans don't do this again ted. >> wow, exactly, willie. a couple of different angles. welcome back to "morning joe". top of the hour. beautiful shot new york city in the morning. mike barn cal and mark halperin still with us. joining us from washington, political director and host of the daily rundown chuck todd. columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc policy analyst ezra klein. and white house correspondent for the associated press julie pace. good to have you all on board. okay. so today in a rose garden speech
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the president will be addressing all of that. he's expected to call the glitchy roll out of healthercare.gov unacceptable. over the weekend the administration acknowledged the site hasn't lived up to expectations. now officials have made a series of minor fixes that are mostly cosmetic. they are intended to help get people get information about signing up. but not to remove the glitches. at the top of the list a clear message telling people they can also sign up by phone. the administration has promised a tech surge using their best and brightest to tack tell problems. it's unclear how many personnel that will involve or when that's going to happen. experts told the "new york times" that as many as 5 million lines of software code need to be rewritten, and that problems with registering are masking problems that will happen later. the administration has touted public interest in the program saying 19 million people have visited the site and the
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associated press reports 476,000 people have filled out applications. but the government declined to say how many have actually enrolled. without those numbers there's no way of knowing whether it's on track to sign up 7 million people projected to take part in the program during the first six months. meanwhile pressure mounts on health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius to testify at a hearing this week about the problematic launch. the department says it is too short notice although republicans point out she has plans to attend a gala in boston. but even top democratic senator dick durbin said she will likely have to appear on krill np as even the president's top lieutenants admit the roll out has been far less than flawless. >> i think there's no one more frustrated than the president. hhs has plans to fix this and i want has to fix it. >> the fact is that yes what has happened is unacceptable in terms of the glitches.
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they were overwhelmed to begin with. there's much that needs to be done correct the situation. this has to be fixed but what doesn't have to be fixed is the fact that tens of millions of more people will have access to affordable quality health care. >> all right. ezra klein, let's start terrify beginning here and put in perspective first of all the glitches that are happening with the website and what the president could say today to try and stem the tide of criticism? >> sure. so these are glitches. the website is not working. when they say the obama administration calls it glitches they are underplaying the problem. there's two sets of problem one which is getting better rapidly and the other we don't know how it can be improved. first they got overwhelmed by traffic. the architecture couldn't deal with demand.
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people go front page and get this wavy screen or crash on them. that's a real problem and one that all of us kind of in the press who would go to it were able to see because it thupsd too. that's a fixable problem. that's a question of bringing server capacity online, that's a question of reducing bottle next. they can fix it and they are fixing it. the much more serious problem is one that's harder for us to actually see because we don't go through it. which when you go through the process, not just creating an application but get your eligibility information and you enroll it's not clear the information is transmitting the right information to the insurer. the insurer is getting duplicative information about you. they are getting information that's you disenrolled when you haven't. you would sign up for insurance and not have it, sign up for insurance and get the wrong thing. the traffic problems are
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protecting against these insurer problems because if everybody could buy insurance you would have this huge flow of correct data. it's hard to get visibility on that. i spoke to a top insurer. he said it's bad but getting better. other insurers said it's not getting better. we don't know what the error rate is. but that is a problem that i think the obama administration is and should be worried about. >> chuck, obviously a lot of attention on tone and substance that the president brings to this event today. what's going on at the senior levels in the white house. how big of a problem do they think it is, how set are they in the mode they are in now lack of transparency and trying to make things better before they talk about what actually happened? >> they are simply trying to buy time. they are not pretending this somehow something that's been drummed up by the press or drummed up by republicans. they are not playing that game where sometimes they do, they say oh, you guys are buying into something that the republicans are selling on this.
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they acknowledge they have a problem. you hear behind-the-scenes that the president is frustrated, the president doesn't understand how this could have happened given all of the pre- -- you know all of the ways they set the table. a lot of us reporters were given various briefings. i guess some of these people were whistling past the grave yard that were doing these presentations to us. folks "around the table" got some of these presentations. seemed they made it seem that they knew all the potential problems that they were going face whether it was traffic or all this. >> chuck, mika will tell you a lot of it was off the record, but mika will tell you for five minutes very politely said you do understand, you do understand that everybody is going to expect some glitches. but you all are ready. you have done everything you
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need to do to be ready because if you screw up this launch it's going to be a horrible, horrible story for you for a long time. chuck, mika, we were pretty blunt weren't we and they were 100% a-okay, right? >> thought it looked great. >> looked pretty. very user friendly. very simple. >> if they fix it it will being a great. >> but it's not like there weren't other people like me telling them and say we're talking and they asked questions and also saying, you know, you either get this thing up and running pretty quickly or going to be a political mess four. they were extraordinarily confident that it would be working. >> that goes one reason to president and senior white house staff are so angry about it. there's a real management failure here. it isn't that nobody knew. lot of reporters, health care
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reporters, my colleagues were going and saying we're hearing bad things out of your testing. we're hearing your can't transmit your data the way you need to transmit it. senior white house staff no we're watching this, we're talking to people, it's all fine, bugs are getting fixed. somewhere along the management chain the news, the actual truth of what was going on got lost, got spun, got obscured and they know that. they know they should have had the information at the very least go out and reset expectations to go out and say we didn't think this is what we thought it was or do triage on the website we have to do window shopping and you have to make a phone call. there were things they could have done. that's a management failure on them. >> julie pace, as we use the word lost, spun, hidden, do we know how many times the administration has been asked how many actual enrollees there
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are? are they still being asked that. and why haven't they answered? >> this is a question that comes up literally every single day at the white house in the daily briefing, it comes up in other conversations that i have with administration officials every day and every day they tell us we don't have that number yet. we'll provide the first enrollee number in mid-november. what they are trying to do is being selectively transparent. they are telling us numbers that make the system look good. they say 19 million people have looked at healthercare.gov say since it opened up to the public. they say half a million people have gotten through the application process. that's as detailed as we've gotten at this point. the enrollment figures oh, reporters you're obsessed with this enrollment figure. that's because the enrollment figure is the only thing that tells us if it works. >> what's their excuse? they decide not to tell you in press briefings how many have
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enrolled. >> they say that part of the reason that they are trying to keep this number at this point private is because they don't want to set unrealistic expectations for enrollment figures this early. >> is that really their decision to make if this is a public program? that's not their decision to make. >> doesn't seem it should be. i would like some enrollment numbers. they say they are expecting the enrollment figures to be higher at the end of this six month period. >> julie, i don't mean to cut in here because you know that's just not the way i operate. but this is not their decision to make. we will tell you -- this is not national security secrets. there's no reason other than a political reason for them to obstruct reporters from this information. this public information. right, julie? >> absolutely. part of what's been so frustrating about this as a report certificate we know that
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they have these numbers. it's not as though they have to wait for some, you know, tech person off in some far off place to send them the data. they are getting these numbers in. that's what's so frustrating. we'll see if the pressure starts to mount and we get to a point where the administration gets to a point where they need to present us with more data before mid-november. you can assume that the number is fairly low. if you have half a million people that got the application finished that means the enrollment number is far less than that. >> i can guarantee you willie geist there are people in the west wing that get a lot of numbers on excel charts every day and one of those numbers are the enrollment numbers. they know in the west wing how many people every day are enrolled. and they should. >> insurance companies are starting to get numbers and the "new york times" report those numbers are low. that's why we're not hearing from the white house. leapt me ask a very basic question. i'm not talking about the policy. that's for another day.
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i'm talking about the technical aspect. is this project too big, too complicated, was it always too big, too complicated for the a lumbering bureaucracy like the united states to handle. if google took it on would it have been easier for them. >> they probably would have shot themselves in the head. no this is not something that couldn't have been done. it's important to emphasize this. we've met with these folks many times. nobody ever sat down and said just so you know building a working website sim possible. it just isn't. you see that because in other states like california and this is, by the way, important. the problems we're talking about here are in the federally run online marketplace. the states have built their own. lot of them are working great. california is working real well. washington state is working real well. kentucky is working real well. new york state is working pretty
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well. states have been able to do this. they did a bad job managing cgi. they did a bad job integrating the contractors. so they took a project that yes was very complicated much harder than a standalone website because you're integrating with the computer system of the irs and social security administration of states of insurers a bunch of computer systems that are not that great so it's a very difficult project. but simply not acceptable to say it was impossible. it was not point. from where it is right now it can and will be fixed the only question will it be fixed in time for it not to affect the risk pool in the first year osu don't degrade the product of the insurance itself. >> all right. going to be fascinating to see how this continues to play out an extremely important for the white house. chuck todd the white house finished a battle last week with ted cruz. i think it's unanimous that among most observers in
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washington and manhattan this was a terrible week for ted cruz. they're conservatives, some conservatives that are coming to his defense. but it's a weak effort. he was part of a flawed strategy that hurt the republicans nationwide if you look at the numbers, record low numbers in the gallup poll, record low numbers in the nbc news "wall street journal" poll. i say all that while we have pictures coming out of texas showing that this just may be a great political move for him in texas and an eight minute stand ovation and this shows how a guy from texas can go to washington and have one set of priorities and apply one set of strategies and be successful at home while chris christie who gets a, let's just say a measured endorsement from the largest paper in the
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state of new jersey is doing great with his own brand. jeb bush stepping in from florida telling ted cruz calm down a little bit. this republican party, we're going to have some battles for a while aren't we? >> think so. wait until you see the stand ovation he'll get in iowa at the end of the week. cruz is going back, his third trip to iowa. hasn't even been in the u.s. senate one year. remarkable in many ways. why should we be surprised he gets a standing ovation at a rally in texas. this is how he campaigned. he didn't do anything, he didn't say anything, he didn't go about any process politically that he didn't campaign say that he was going to do during the campaign. he was anti-establishment during his campaign. they tried to stop him. they tried to defeat him. so, you know, you sort of look at it through his eyes. you know, he got through this. he got through that primary
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process in 2012. he fought all the establishment. everybody told him, tried stop him, tried to prevent him from getting elected. why should he start listening to the stab be establishment now. when you see it from his perspective i think he campaigned, he's govern sod far how he's campaigned if you want to call it governing. he's governed how he said he would during the campaign. and i think it's going to make him more of a rock star in this one half of the republican party. it's one half of a major party. it's not an entire major party. >> you're right too. he's going to do very well in iowa and i'm reminded of michelle bachmann who won the iowa straw poll. >> there you go. >> launched her career. it really did. >> look where she is today. >> for all the republicans out there that are going to look at this evidence, say well look, look how great. they are exactly right. michele bachmann they are correct in aims. >> how the iowa straw poll goes
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so does the iowa straw poll. >> so goes the nation of something. some nations. lots of luck with that. finally ken cuccinelli. terry mcauliffe doesn't look like most virginia governors. and virginia is a lot like florida as far as states go. they send one type of guy to the senate they send another type of guy to the governor's office. i just -- i don't know. i'm not ready to say -- >> joe, rick scott is not a native floridian and he got elected. things changed. mark warner was born and raised in connecticut and got elected. this is not your father's virginia. this is not your father's florida. you never want to pull the plug
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on a candidate but what you look on what's going on with cuccinelli being outspent two to one and more money coming in for mcauliffe. a couple of. e-"richmond times dispatch" is not endorsing at all. another newspaper that endorsed writing in bill bolen the lieutenant governor. >> is cuccinelli not getting money from the national party >> to the contrary. they dumped a ton of money. upwards of $10 million or $11 million. cuccinelli has not been able to raise big money. mcdonnell has not gravitated towards cuccinelli. he's had a problem raising traditional republican money. raising money in a virginia governor's race is easy. there's no rules.
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six, seven figure checks could be had. cuccinelli is struggling. some of whom are giving to terry and some are staying on the sidelines. >> i'm sure we've heard around this table and heard in washington, we heard all the same thing about one business owner after another that has always written checks for the republican party that right now is saying, going to hold off. >> one interesting thing on cuccinelli is the republican party picked him to give their national radio address this past weekend the republican who was sent out to speak for them in the aftermath of the shutdown of the debt ceiling. you do see some effort. there's a lot of focus with cuccinelli on his position on social issues and bolster him as a fiscal conservative. that was interesting to make him the face of the party after this debacle. >> their first press release is setback should be fired, secretary sebelius should be
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fired, delay obama care. they are taking the new headlines and turn it to their advantage. >> even though he was against the shutdown over the past couple of weeks. julie pace and ezra klein thank you very much. chuck we'll see you at 9:00 a.m. on "the daily rundown". thank you as well. still ahead the dna revolution, how a $99 test may save your life. we have a cover story that's grabbing a lot of attention. up next, republican rift. we'll ask conservative congressman kevin brady about the ross aspect of some nasty primary fights within the gop. that's straight ahead on "morning joe".
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♪ you've said in the past you thought the tea party was a positive influence.
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do you still feel that way? >> do i. they raised issues that an awful lot of americans care about. we have a terrible track record with federal spending, nobody seems to be table solve the problem and it's an uprising. the good thing is it's taking place within the republican party. i don't see it as a negative, i think it's much better to have that turmoil and change in the republican party than it would be to have it outside. with us now, u.s. congressman from texas and chairman of the joint economic committee congressman kevin brady. good to see you again. i saw an op-ed you wrote last week. you basically set it up about a ceo and a company and about three different groups of directors and you basically laid it out. you got the democrats that don't want to do much about the debt. you got a set of young rebels that want to burn the place down and then you got a third group which are the other republicans that want to take sort of a middle ground. how did that turn out? >> well, you know, since i wrote
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it i thought it was great. but the point being look we have to pay our debts on time and in full. look at those who say just raise the debt ceiling no conditions. >> up disagree with people who say we can default on our debt. >> absolutely. that's not something we fool with. >> were you surprised that as many on our side were saying -- because, you know. listen i voted against raising the debt ceiling in the past but i never did it saying hey this is okay we don't have to pay our debts. >> joe it's a small group. the fact is most republicans believe we should never even go close to default. what we do believe is we taught change our spending habit, we taught saturday tackling the big issue. social security, medicare and others. let's stop ignoring the 800 found gorilla in the room. let's tackle it. >> do republicans, the caucus, the house caucus, do they have the guts because it's easy to go out and parade around and say i'll shut down the government
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and do this and do that which they've done waives side show. total side show. because they knew obama care was never going to be stopped immediately. downing enough republicans have the political guts to go after medicare and social security and medicaid and do what's required to save those programs and to save this country from decades of zmebt do they have the guts to do it? >> the answer is absolutely yes. not only major reforms including in the ryan budget but on committees like mine ways and mean committee we're ready to tackle social security. everyone knows what we need to do to save social security. medicare is tougher but this year we have to find a permanent way to reimburse our doctors. tut perfect topping start the structural reforms. we would like the president to join us. we would like to lead. >> what about then, you said joe to your point that it's easy to
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parade around and say you'll defund obama care. it's more than easy when you see ted cruz going back to his home state getting an eight minute stoongd aviation from thousands of people, isn't that a problem with what you say is possible just now? >> i was at the same convention. i don't think my standing lasted eight minutes. he's popular in our state. new poll this weekend, 75% approval rating for senator cruz so there's strong support. it's not just tea party -- >> when you look at that, how you can say the party is ready to do the hard things when you have people as popular as that doing the easy thing and getting rewarded. >> i'm not sure the two are linked. obama care new entitlement, strong opposition to it. social security, medicare is really about taking pretty tough steps, and i know in our district and i think a lot of
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republicans have laid the ground work telling our constituents in town halls this is where we need to go. >> so we showed that clip. we didn't show the clip of them giving the standing ovation and carrying you out on their shoulders. during this crisis, you went to town hall meetings and you told your constituents hey listen the shutdown strategy, this may not be the best way to go. you told them thing that want they may not have wanted to hear and while you got blasted for it you also had a great reception for it. >> in our town hall meeting, we do more than 15 a year. early on we told people look you didn't send us up there to be popular you sent us up there to tackle these problems. here's what we need to do on social security. here's the first step in medicare. we get strong support. i think the public is way out ahead of congress and the president on these issues. they know something is wrong. they know something has to to be done. >> in agree with that. >> how many people in your
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district don't have haemt snins >> texas abo -- heart insurance. >> about 25%. >> how would you like your constituents that don't have health tendonitis get health insurance? >> our frustration is that we did have a high risk pool in texas that worked pretty well that's now gone replaced by this. secondly most of our businesses, most of our workers were in small businesses. they just can't afford health care. the problem with affordable care act it didn't tackle affordability it shifted the cost around. >> when constituents call your office and say i want help figuring out how to sign up do you instruct your staff? >> yes. i don't agree with this law and i've been fighting it. you saw the charts that showed how the thing works. and there's not support for it.
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but it's the law and if our constituents need help we'll give to it them. >> congressman you spoke about the fact that you believe firmly the united states has to pay its debts. how do you vote against a bill that would encourage us to pay the debt to raise the debt limit. >> what did it solve? >> what's the logic of your vote. >> my frustration look we kicked the can down the road a couple of months on how we fund the government for the year. we resolved that. we kicked the can down the road for three months on the debt ceiling but no commitment to tackling the bigger issues on it. so if something takes you the right direction, i'm going to support it. i just didn't see this, especially the debt ceiling any discussion about what we really need to do. >> we deferred for three more months. we'll be back here -- >> that's the frustrating thing. sometimes i feel like washington, the fed, the white house are stuck on stupid.
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balloons would have been better than that. but that was a scene from the 1997 sci-fi thriller "gataka" which depict ad future where genetic testing is the norm. the new issue of "fast company" looks at a new company and its daring ceo that's bringing the technology to everyone for just 99 bucks and the magazine's editor and director joins us now. what in the world -- >> how can a $99 test save my life. it depends what you find out. >> what can i find out. >> you can find out if have a high risk for parkinson's or early on set of alzheimer's. it's not exactly like the movies. the movies make things more dramatic and scary than they need to be but there's something very daring about this.
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>> breast cancer another good example. >> absolutely. >> of something that your dna you can see -- >> this is really a challenge to the way the medical establishment works the way we think about your health care. right now you might know your parents had a particular condition. this is to expand that. >> you do this with your doctor and pick it up at walgreen's? >> you do it online. >> come on. online. >> all greens, boom, you're going die. >> you don't have to go to your do,. doctors are anxious about this because it's in contrast to the way they were trained. a brand new area. a brand new way of looking at things. >> let's say i get this test and i want says -- >> your heart attack is happening tomorrow. >> my heart attack is happening tomorrow. >> it depends on you how to view it. >> is it up to me to report it to my insurance company or say i want to buy lots of life
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insurance. >> this is one of the things that scares insurance companies their consumers may know more about their health situation than they do and makes it much harder for them to manage. right now, though, federal law gives you the right to keep your dna data secret or personal, private from the insurance company. we'll see how that evolves. >> where do i go -- >> go to 23me.com. >> is it as easy as signing up for obama care. >> i want may be easier. >> 23me.com. they will send you a kit and you can put saliva into it and send it back. >> how about the business itself those. $99. you do it once you don't need it a second time and ate high end demographic that will do it. >> here's the larger potential for this and that is when you have thousands and thousands of people's dna samples there's new things you can discover. for instance with park join's
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disease they now have 10,000 people that have the dna of people with parkinson's disease and there's particular genes that are consistent with that condition. there's some people who have that gene and don't develop parkinson's. they can use the data to find what are the things that can protect against parkinson's and build treatments. doing the same thing with early on set alzheimer's. what about the other 50%, when a do they have and what can you build out of that to protect all of us. that's what the potential, the big data piece of this kind of health care and this kind of information can do and that's where they will make their money in the long run. >> that's pretty cool. >> are there other countries doing this or just us? >> it's being done in other places but this is the one most in the forefront. there are people who are anxious about it. they are banks the privacy of
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putting their dna somewhere. >> i would. >> i figured you would be. we're going to where our dna is going define us and we'll be pigeoned holed that way. those are reasonable fears because we don't have a lot of laws set up and don't have a lot of pre-conditions. >> i don't want to know. >> some people don't want know and that's your prerogative. you don't have to know. some people do want to know. >> there's something about it -- >> what don't you block it? >> how old are you? >> i'm 42. >> in a couple of years. let's say you know that you may have early onset alzheimer's -- >> or heart disease. >> doctors all over the world are trying to figure out what you can do. there may be certain things. >> make sure have long term care insurance if you knew you had a marker for that. >> look at your family history. the fact that i can't remember what i'm doing on tuesday.
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i understand the positive benefit of it but in terms of living my life organically part of me doesn't want to know. >> really. >> i think that's the way a lot of people are. >> new issue -- >> you want to know? >> of course. >> bob, you want to know? >> absolutely. >> we all want to know. >> okay. the new issue of "fast company" is out now. thank you very much. >> it's great. >> still ahead the cost of cancer drugs is soaring but their effectiveness not so much. it's sparking a revolt within the medical industry. up next after justin long is standing by his latest project takes facebook talking to the big screen. >> right over there. >> right here. >> justin, there you go. "morning joe" will be right back. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business.
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>> my god, wait, wait. >> sam. >> yeah. >> can i cook you dinner sometime? >> yes. oh, my god. >> it's all coming back to you, right? >> it's like riding a bike. >> that was a look at a case of you. justin long, a new romantic comedy, also his feature writing debut. >> oh, you wrote it? >> with my brother. >> how exciting is that. >> also starring in "best man down." very busy actor and writer joins us. >> it's so great to be here. i just want to say hi to my brother christian, who i wrote the story with. >> congratulations, christian. >> your family watches it? >> they're obsessed with msnbc. gluttons, so wendy and jim, they're watching.
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>> anyone else? >> you guys went to the same high school or something? >> new england, private school community and colleges, you know? >> really? that must be nice. new england private school. >> scandia county -- >> so, anyway let's talk about the move. >> "a case of you". >> what it was like reading your own lines. >> well, i have gotten accustomed to ad-libbing. i felt like i should just start writing some of the stuff down. it was survale, bizarre. i wrote it with my brother, and hearing other people saying was the most surreal thing. hearing great actors. how exciting was that to take a line in your head and actually make it better.
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emplts so infinitely better when you have a great cast. >> what's it about? >> you know, i don't remember. >> i really like you, because i don't remember anything -- >> nothing, it's all gone. >> we shot it so long ago. >> it's about a guy that's a romantic comedy, which has become kind of a pejorative lately. i think it's a good one. it's about a guy -- the conflict is more of the guys gets in his own way. he trying to woo this girl by a social media, and he tries to create a persona based on what he thinks she might like based on her profile. >> oh, dear. >> so it gets him in some trouble and gets in his own way.
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>> tell me about two brothers writing the screenplay. how many fights occurred? >> not physical -- >> not physical. >> that's why i'm asking. >> gosh, i wish i had some scars to show you. i wish i had a really good story. no, we get along so well, creatively too. we're writing a pilot now for nbc. it's just effortless, because we grew up together, very, very close in age. our sensibilities are so aligned. i wish this were a better -- >> the barnicle boys are so aligned, too. >> i guess that's the difference with connecticut private school kids. my favorite story is they were fighting each other and louis tried to stop it and they both turned on louis, and he said, okay, okay, you can fight.
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>> everyone talks about how difficult it is to make your own movie. how do you get studios behind? >> it is different to make movies that are midrange. they're making these huge tent pole films like action movies, or they're making -- or you have to make like a $1 million independent movie. in order to make the one we made, we kind of needed the sad reality is you need to get certain people in the movie. we couldn't have made it without some of the names, brendan frasier, sam, these guys. >> how did you get them? >> grovelled. >> yeah, payment, sexual favors -- >> okay. you can catch "a case of you". >> what did the budget end up being? >> maybe $3 million. shot in new york. looks boufl. doug chamberlain did -- it looks a lot more expensive than it
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was. >> in new york, a deal, a knotted deal? a lot of people are going to louisiana, some go up to canada. there are great tax brack. >> at the time there were -- >> was it expensive? >> there were tax incentives at the time. i don't think they are what when we shot. there's certain requirements, and if it's outside the city, i think it's like 40%, connecticut is big now. you know, i'm a little -- i'm a couple months behind the times, and the laws change so quickly. louisiana is big. >> you can catch "a case of you" in theaters and on demand november 6th. "best man down quest is currently available online and on demand. the very busy justin long. tang you. >> so nice to see you. >> tang you. we'll be right back. it's a growing trend in business:
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the count's 0-2 on victorino. that's hit well, into the corner. it is gone! a grand slam! good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. it's time to wake up, willy. >> stay in bed. >> joe, c'mon now, barnicle.
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>> and joining us is the chipper and away sam stein. >> it's about the season. '04 greatest sox season because the yankees and nobody had ever done that. '07 we're kind of becoming like what we claim -- you just buy in superstores. this year has to rank as one of the great red sox seasons. a bunch of young kids, at the begin of the year, you see guys like middlebrooks and drew, and see guys like johnny gomes, there's so many guys out there that might not be starting on other teams. we wake up and suddenly, you know, the best relief pitching i have seen. he wasn't that good a year or two ago. it's just one of these weird things where everything clicked
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this year. >> certainly one of the most surprising teams i think ever assembled, because of the component parts. johnny gomes, and koji uehara. >> he had a couple good years, signed as a free agent. was with the rangers last year. virtually unhittable since july, but it's where they came from. it's the fact that you don't have, with the exception of ortiz, you don't have any huge recognizable superstar names on that roster. >> pedroia. >> victorino's grand slam, great, we beat a team we probably shouldn't have beaten. they outpitched us and outplayed. they had some bad coaching. everybody hit into double plays at the absolute worst times, but that ortiz grand slam that brought the sox back after they had been bakley no hit for two games? that will go down.
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that's as big as any home run in sox history. >> and the 'companies photograph, which adds to the mythology of it. with the cop going like that. >> your screen saver. >> which, by the way, before that, was dave roberts stealing second base. he will change that again in eight years. seriously, that's about how big that was. >> and you have the two best teams in the world series. the best record in each league. cardinals are another great team. >> can i say we're screwed, because we haven't been talking about central time zone teams, which means they're going to win the world series. much more in sports -- stop, stop. today in a rose garden speech, president obama is expected to call the glitchy roll-out of healthcare.gov unacceptable. over the weekend the administration acknowledged the site ha -- there's a minor fixes that are tended to help people
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get information, but not to remove glitches. at the top of the list a clear message telling people they can also sign up by phone. the administration has promised to, quote, tech surge, using the best and brightest to tackle the problems. it's unclear how many personnel that will involve on when it will happen. experts told "new york times" as many as 5 million lines of code may need to be rewritten and problems with registers or masking problems, that would happen later. the administration has touted public interest in the program, saying 19 million people have visited the site. associated press reports that 476,000 people have filled out application, but the government decline to say how many people have actually enrolled. without those numbers, there's no way of knowing whether it's on track to sign up 7 million people projected to take part in the program the first six months. meanwhile, pressure months on health and human services
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secretary kathleen sebelius to testify at a hearing about this and the problematic launch. >> i know she doesn't want to. mark halperin, why -- if you're the head of an agency and congress wants to know, it's not like, you know, we're going to get the secretary of defense to come on over. >> she's very, very very busy. >> right now, this is the crisis that the administration is facing. if you have both ezra klein and barack obama saying the launch has failures, seriously last week ezra says that. he's the guy that studies this stuff, not exactly a right-wing blogger and now the president is saying it's unacceptable. this is a big enough problem she needs to get out there and tell us what happened. >> the roll-out is unacceptable. the secrecy is unacceptable. it begins with not saying how many people have enrolled.
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i don't know why they could release that figure, but in addition, you search in vain for answers to lots of questions. tom costello, lots of other reporters have asked for basic information. when governments are in crisis, they withhold information, and sometimes they don't tell the truth. >> i'm not being ideological, mike, these people want to run our health care system, and they want to be the grand organizers, the great organizers of what is most important to most americans over the age of 35 or 40. and yet they're not telling us what's going wrong with our system that they want to run? >> as marg just pointed out, they're lying about it now. they're lying about it. they're not depriving us of information, they're outright lying about what's going on. >> give me specifics. what are they lying about? >> about the numbers of who have enrolled. the numbers who have made the process complete. the numbers of people who have
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actually signed up. a couple others things. the larger point is this is unacceptable. this is not unacceptable, this is outrageous. in a country when you with go to cupertino, california, and find five people to put together a website that works. >> willie could. maybe she could go on "the daily show" and explain how -- oh, wait, that didn't work that way. >> willy is the i.t. guy. >> did that fix work? >> it did. it did. hold on, let me try it again. >> just download the update. that's it. >> so here's the crazy thing. they go to tom costello. they go to canada to get the system, and it doesn't work.
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the canadian government had already fired them. they go, okay, you know what? let's do $55 million. you turn around and it's like one of your parties at your parents' house. the price tag ends up being $292 million. remember that one? >> we're talking about hockey scores, right? >> we actually had zeppelin on jet packs. took a while to get to 292 million. >> dplicglitches there, too. >> seriously it's laughable. >> you ask the question why don't they say how many have been enrolled? that leads people to believe that not that many have enrolled. health care executives say the numbers they're getting back are not very big. so yes, applications have been filed, but it's unlikely the numbers they predicted for enrollment, sam stein, are going
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to be met. >> yeah, this is not a great roll-out. obviously they should probably put another button on the website that set apply by phone, and then another one that says seriously, apply by phone. because they don't have the internet capacity to do anything. full disclosure, my wife works for the administration, she's involved in congressionally oversight, so at risk of getting a divorce, i think kathleen sebelius obviously should testify. i think the administration has been way too secretive. i don't think they have lied, they just haven't given us numbe numbers. >> why so secretive? >> i think it's a mix of things. one, i think they were genuinely surprised. this was a cms enterprise. it seems from all the reporting and from what i can gather up until recently, they didn't realize how bad this was going to go out. no one beta tested the site,
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which is almost criminal, when you this i about it. the president was caught off-guard, which is unfortunate and also really kind of messed up. so you need someone -- i wouldn't be surprised if a few people lost their jobs, but this starts with basically explaining to congress and to the american public what went wrong. i think that's a very low bar for the administration to hit. >> sam, who at the top of the administration do you think was cause by surprise by this? >> well, certainly the president was, from what i can gather. >> how? how? how did this happen? >> it's not like he's sitting there testing beta web sites. >> nobody was, obviously. >> the people were running it were sure it was going to work. >> they put a lot of trust into the contractor, and sort of maneuvered the deadlines to confuse it. you promised a product to the american people, you said this was going to change the way that health care was delivered or that you could shop for health care. the fact of the matter is that it didn't work. he may not be and in fact,
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you would think that we would have discovered this a lot sooner if not for the most liked man -- or disliked man in washington. he's got a hero's welcome in texas. senator ted cruz returned to his home state over the weekend receiving an eight-minute standing ovation of supporters in san antonio. he spoke about being back in the lone star state and about the fight to defund obama care. >> having spent the past month up in d.c., it is really great to be back in america. imagine if when the house had passed a bill funding the federal government and defunding obama care, if senate republicans had simply said we're going to stand together united with house republicans and the american people and we're going to stand against the train wreck, when is obama care. the house republicans marched into battle courageously.
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and the senate republicans should have come in like the cavalry to support them. unfortunately a significant chunk the senate republicans instead came in like the air force and began bombing the house republicans, our own troops. >> i don't know where to begin with the illit raise, but the president would have still veto itted, no matter what, so none of that makes. sense. so all this cavalry -- >> even if the senate had supported -- okay, yeah. >> former governor jeb bush offered ted cruz a little advice. take a listen. >> have a little bit of self-restraself-r self-restrai self-restraint. we don't even hear about that, because we've stepped on that message, and i think reps need to just take a step back and allow -- show a little self-restraint and let this
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happen a little more organically. >> a little self-restraint. that's interesting. i go on the twitter -- >> when it works. >> no, the twitter works. the twitter kids that are running twitter know how to run the twitter. sometimes they go on there and listen to some of my favorite rock bands, you know? high volume, you know, you click on it, willie -- >> oh, my god, i want to get one more news story in. >> so, anyway. kids have been really nice to me on the twitter lately. they have. but one of the things that disturbs me, there is a strain. i would hope it's only 5% in the republican party, that constantly says to me, people like you, scott walker and tom coburn are rhinos, and you don't belong in our party. there is a small strain, but those people don't understand, it's like kicking in somebody's back door in the middle of the
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night and us waking up in the morning and going downstairs, and then going, what are you doing in our house? nope, they're in our house. this is scott walker's party, and this is chris christie's party, and this is jeb bush's party, and this is tom coburn's party. it's not their party, not even close. if you're saying scott walker is too liberal for your party, chances are good you're in the wrong republican party, right? >> you were talking about lack of transparency on health care. what republicans like jeb bush are saying privately about ted cruz is something else. >> publicly. >> publicly something, but behind the scenes, they're flaming the guy. but he's going to iowa again on friday, third trip in a year. >> one of the major papers in new jersey, when you read it, you really gets the sense they're getting right behind
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governor chris christie. the editorial -- >> i'm shocked at this editorial. >> the editorial board writing in part dshlg the most remarkable political talent that america has seen since bill clinton. if you haven't bunsed his performance at a town meeting, make a point of it. there's a sensible middle grounds in america after all. >> like taking a warm shower. that's great. anything else? >> well, the paper cites the governor's achievements when it comes to pension, health and tenure reform, also changes to the higher education system. >> goalie. get a room. i mean, c'mon. >> well, if you keep reading, i don't think they want to get a room. the paper continues this way. >> what are you talking about that? >> balance that against the measurable failures. you have to conclude he is much better at politics than governing. his ego is entertaining, our own view is christie is overrated,
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his spin is way ahead of his substance. the editorial board explaining the only reason its endorsing christie is because his challenger, the state senator, lacks the strategic savvy to be a successful governor. wa wait. huh, what just happen? it was hillary clinton who made an appearance, one of her first political appearances -- >> this is crazy. willie and i were talking, this one could have gone either way. >> they're longtime family friends with terry mcauliffe. she gave a pitch of mcauliffe for governor. >> recently in washington unfortunately, we have seen examples of the wrong kind of
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leadership. when politicians choose scorched earth over common ground, when they operate in what i call the evidence-free zone, that is not the kind of leadership we need in virginia and american today. supporting and voting for terry mcauliffe will make you proud of yourselves, of this commonwealth, and yes of our country. >> this week hillary's husband former president bill clinton will join mcauliffe for three days on the campaign trail, one endorsement he won't be getting is from "the richmond times-disspasm." the paper announced they were endorsing no one, rejecting the candidacies, say the third-party candidate has run a better race, but still not a qualified option.
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>> this race right now, and i heard some people talk about this race has been over for some time. i don't believe that. >> they're bringing in bill and hillary. >> they're, but you've got terry mcauliffe. in virginia, the whole carpetbagger thing may have a ring to it. secondly the libertarian candidate that's swallowing up six, seven, eight points? cou couch -- cuccinelli, read his book, i think something along the lining of being socialism. he goes further on those two. i'm not sure that some of those libertarians at the end are going to go, am i going to vote for this third-party guy so terry mcauliffe can run the state for four years? >>. i just wonder whether virginians
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are going to say, yeah, i want terry mcauliffe to be my governor, because virginia governors, whether they're democrat or republican, they're all kind of the same kind of guy. >> terr re has run a decent race. i think you're right. maybe he roehl win be two or three or four, but most national republicans have given up on this race. we're always skeptical. it's not a pure bellwether of anything, but terry has run a more centrist race with a huge gender gap, which i'm sure was not hurt by hillary clinton coming in. coming up, we'll check in with politico's mike allen. plus even a $13 bill chron settlement won't necessarily buy jpmorgan change a get out of
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jail free card much the latest in the basic's efforts to cut a deal after allegedly selling bad bonds. folks in florida are resting easier as police caught two killers. but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning. the big weather story is not affecting us here in the united states. it's down in mexico. this is the first major category 3 hurricane of the hurricanes season, even if the eastern pacific or the therein. can you believe that? we're at the end of october. this is the first major hurricane. if this is not what they need. just 150 miles off the coast. thankfully it's as close as they're going to get, but they'll get some torrential rains. stateside, we're tracking this cold blast of air. by the time we get to wednesday, it makes it all the way to the eastern seaboard. and of course we've got some baseball to be played.
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world series games outdoors in boston, right in time for this cold blast. wednesday some rain, 49, windchill in the 30s, so that would not be fun in the stands either wednesday night or thursday. it will be very, very chilly. take a look at new york city and times square, a high of 66 today, probably the warmest we'll see for quite a long time. you're watching "morning joe." ♪ ♪ hey lady! noooo! no! [ tires screech ] ♪ nooo! nooo! nooo! hey lady, that's diesel! i know. ♪
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let's look at the morning papers, mika. why don't we start with "san francisco chronicle." no end in side for the bay area rapt transit strike. the san francisco area faced gridlock all weekend. now federal investigators are looking into the death of two transit workers who were killed by an out-of-control train during the strike. "the washington post," jpmorgan chase has agreed to a tentative settlement for selling it will be the largest penalty paid by a single company. they also may fay criminal prosecution. "tampa bay times" two killser who forged their way out of prison are back in police custody. check out dramatic video you can see, heavily armed u.s. marshals in the coconut grove motor inn. police say the tips received a
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tip, just seconds later they ariest jo receives jenkins and charles walker. even though they were serving life sentences. they are due back in court on friday. a german magazine says the nsa hacked the e-mail account of former mexican president calderon. documents from edward snowden described it as fat liquid. mexico has -- the report also claimed that the in. sa access the e-mails of mexico's current president during the election year last year. "los angeles times", the remake of the classic "carrie" failed to overtake "gravity" which remained number one for the third week in a row. the film made $31 million to bring its total to more than $170 mills on. "captain phillips" was second,
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"cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2" and "escape plan" and the movie about julian assange was a box office disaster. "the fifth estate" made just $1.7 million making it the worst opening-day debut for any movie this year. >> whoever saw that coming? i know willie and i wanted to see this movie, only if we had guns stuck in the back of our heads -- >> i just don't know why --. >> okay. stop. >> then i would say to willie, give me a second, i get it. >> that's a spongebob episode. go to willie. >> i was busy this weekend watching vanderbilt beat -- >> go vandy. >> i was there. one of the greatest wins in our school's history. >> other than your graduation. >> that was a miracle. ate less go to mike allen.
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mike. good morning. let's talk some by. big top story, talking about the shutdown affecting 2014 races, including for democrats. >> a lot of democratic candidates that the party had been recruiting are getting off the fence. they've been saying no, i don't think i'll go, but after the shutdown, after the republican problems of the last few weeks, democratic officials say it's a lot easier to get people in. so at least there are half a dozen key house races where the candidate that they wanted had been holding back, is now getting in. nebraska, inening in this, indiana, some of the states, one of the interesting familiar names that's thinking of jumping in is james lee witt, the fema director under president clinton. he's thinking of running for that seat down in arkansas. the republican now runs for senate is jumping into. the key fact, willie, is they're
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exactly the kind of democrats that the party thinks they need to win, moderate pro-business candidates. they're going to try to run it again. >> bigger picture, mike, the shutdown and what we saw the last couple weeks affects the 2014 outcomes? i've heard both sides of the argument. some say pivotal, some say the shutdown will have been long forgotten by then. where do you come down on it? >> republicans will tell you that it's early, the elections are a year away, these things tend to fade. there's no questions that republicans are back on their heels. this is going to make it harder for them to recruit. the only bright spot for them, politico has a story pointing out that for democrats who have run on health care, it's going to be a tough message for them in the weeks ahead. how do you be supportive of obama care, supportive of the president, yet separate yourself from all the implementation problems? as you've been talking about,
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what if computer problems turn into treatment problems? then it's going to be difficult. so that's the only factor that could twist it back for the democrats. thank you, mike. new warnings about the dangers of rising prices, why doctors are rebelling against the soaring cost of saving lives. dr. zeke emanuel next on "morning joe." of providing a free world-class education for anyone, anywhere. if you look at a khan academy video, they cover everything from basic arithmetic to calculus, trigonometry, finance. you can really just get what you need at your own pace. and so, bank of america came and reached out to us and said, "we are really interested in making sure that everyone really understands personal finance." we're like, "well, we're already doing that." and so it was kind of a perfect match.
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welcome back to "morning joe." the new issue of "new york" magazine featured a compelling story on the, quote, cancer drug racket. the piece looks at the rising costs of treating cancer, which sometimes means hundreds of thousands to extend a life just a few weeks. now, some doctors are refusing actually to prescribe those costly medicines. it's not creating a medical dilemma, and the community is upset, dr. leonard salts said in the article, quote -- if you say to people you have a drug that extends life by one day at a billion dollars, should we as a society pay for it? i'm pretty account most people
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would say no. if you say, and i have drug that extends life by three years at a cost of 1.50. i'm pretty confident someone would say of course. in the middle somewhere there's a tipping point where we could see no, we can't. right now we're unwilling to explore that point. i would argue we have to. wherever it may be, we have to find it. we have former white house divorce for health policy and vice provost for global initiatives. dr. zeke emanuel. mark barnicle and mark halperin are here with us. talk about. where is that number? and how do we get there? >> first of all, i think it's fair to say inside the cancer community, we've been talking about this mo more than a decade, i've been chastising about it for a long time, as
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have many others. i think we need to distinguish several different flavors of this, joe. first there are drugs that are expensive but really work and are home runs. glevak is a drug for chronic leukemia. it really has been a game changer. it costs a lot of money, but it has really extended life. i think the problem is that there's another class of drugs that on average extends like 10, 20, 30, 40 days and costs $100,000 or $200,000 a year to get. that does seem, to many people, unreasonable. the big problem is doctors have continued to prescribe those drugs, and patients have continued to ask for them. i think often not understanding that they don't cure anyone, they don't prolong life a very long time, you know, a month, six weeks. that's the dilemma, and when the country says we agree, it's not worth hundreds of thousands for
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four weeks, then i think we'll have a change of attitude and change of attitude on the part of the drug companies. >> mike barnicle, kind of sounds like "logan's run." no, it doesn't, but if it's your father, then a lot of people will say is 00,000 in four weeks? we'll take it. >> of course -- >> we'll take it, but they're not paying. >> who is pays the $100,000? zeke, the cost per pill, per medication, doctors' involvement in the costs and doctors getting paid for things, how does that work? and how do you change it if it's a negative factor in care? >> well, it's a very negative factor, and one of deep dark secrets is the way medicare pace. doctors make more money by -- oncologists making more money by prescribing more expensive
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therapy. that's a tragedy. medicare pays doctors the cost of the drug plus 6%. if you have a more expensive drug, that 6% is worth more money. many of us have argued against this and wanted medicare to change that policy. i do think changing that payment policy is a critical necessary step to changing the conversation. one of the things we know, mike and joe, is a lot of patients don't understand that the average amount of time they'll get from these drugs is just weeks, it doesn't cure them. either the doctor doesn't say it, or if the doctor says it, the patient might not hear it, because they want to hear they have a chance for cure. that dilemma, if you really told the real information to people, they really heard it, most of us find it a little hard that people -- yeah, $200,000 for four weeks of life. that just doesn't seem like most people want that deal. >> so, zeke, that critical component, that change that is necessary that you just referred to for the doctors doctors, the
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6% thing, do you know if it's included in the affordable care act? >> i know that it's not included in the affordable care act. i think -- i've been working with a grip of cancer doctors, a group of insurers, to try to change how we would pay for cancer, to go to more bundled payment and say here's how much we're going to pay and the doctor doctor's going to use the guidelines, professional standards to give patients the optical care. one of the reason to change how we pay is that we should -- we don't want to ration care and don't want to ration especially the care that will be helpful. i would also add one other thing, joe, that's really important here. drug costs, as high as they are, represent a quarter of cancer costs. 50% of the cost foss treating cancer goes to hospitalizations, and another quarter goes to doctor service, lab tests, and images. so drug costs are a big problem, but by no means the whole
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problem. >> right. >> other problems are important. >> brian. >> taking a step backwards, you have these pharmaceutical companies, some are one-hit wonder companies, they have one drug in the pipeline. independents it's their chance. >> i've seen when i worked through the nasdaq a billion for market cap go or come depending on a face 3 tlil or what have you, and who knows when the next drug will negate it or competition will come in and they want to maybe make all their money in research back as quickly as they can. the question, going babb to setting the price. what about controlling it at that level? who says that a company that's traded should have to makeup of their investment in two years on a particular medication? >> well, again, i think this is an interesting area. if you take 100 drugs that start out in trials with human, only three will make it to market and be marketed.
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the fda has no power and authority over pricing. medicare is forced to take the price that a drug company sets. medicare -- by law, no power to negotiate that price. again, these are some of the issues that many people think need to be addressed, but congress has not given medicare that authority to negotiate the price. >> zeke, real quick, a different topic, what advice would you give the white house about how transparent they would be about the problem rolling out the affordable health care act. >> daily briefingsen and give us milestones for what we should look for. reassurance verbally is not worth much at this point. we need to see weekly what's improved, but we need a daily brophying. i would like it to be wonky. tell me exactly what the problem is tell me what you're doing to fix it, and what problems will be fixed over the next year. >> so do you disagree with the white house refusing to give
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information that they have on the number of enrollees when you have white house reporters asking every day, and they are just refusing to give it? i don't understand why. >> i'm not sure i understand why, but joe, enrollment isn't the key question. what i would like is for people to easily be able to shop and make comparisons. taz the key. i don't think most people will pluvg down that money for the first month of insurance until thanksgiving and after. that's why i think the next four weeks is the critical period. i think a good standard for shopping, by the way, is california exchange. it's relatively easy to go in there and figure out what your subsidy is, what your available choices without putting in information. >> dr. psychoemanuel, always great talking with you. coming up ex in, a look at the day's market futures, with cnbc kelly evans, straight ahead.
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it's time for this report, with kelly evans. stocks, of course, at all-time highs last week. what can we expect this week with the g back open and in business? >> the government means we'll get the economic data back. 1744, that was the closing high, a new all-time high. the dow a bit off its own high. if you want to be stocks hold or even rally further, three things to keep in mind. the first is earnings. i think mcdonald's report is a good example of some of the risk
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there. they missed on global sales. you're seeing shares pointed down about 2%. intoic to your point about the government being open tomorrow the nonfarm sales report from september. if you want -- the market struggling with this question of when the federal reserve will taper. that report will have a lot to do with it. the third thing, big headlines over the weekend about j.p. mo aren, bank of america, the legal fines and settlements that they're going to. >> kelly -- >> problem with some of the banks this el bought at the time and also things ahead of them. the shares for jpm and bank of america only down about half a percent today. >> will people see that headline number of 13 billion, quickly, if you can, what are they getting penalized for? we have always talk about jamie dialen being untoughable.
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when when is he not untouchable? >> the first with regard to jamie dimon. frankly outside too, who look at that bank and say as much trouble as there's been under his tenure, is there someone else who can manage this bank? the second point goes back to the legal fees. yes, $13 billion in this specific case has to do with mortgages, has to did with their purchase, but it's not the only settlement they've had to pay. in fact, 40% of their net earnings since the rebound of the last couple years have been paid out in terms of legal fees. so it's an incredible problem that continues to plague the banks. they have still performed nicely, but certainly questions about public perception will be increase dpli important. >> thank you, kelly. we'll be back in a minute. la's known definitely for its traffic,
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all of those in the past, nothing like tomorrow's show. on tomorrow's show. harvard professor henry louis gates with us. on wednesday warren buffett, chances are good he'll be handing out millions of dollars. if you're watching, i'm guessing he may just call you up and ask if you want to be a millionaire. next monday, this is big, former vice president dick chen cheney. we know everybody loves him. that's why he's coming here. you have all that and a lot more to look forward to. i think most excitingly, we'll be talking about what if anything we learned today. when "morning joe quugs returns. i'm meteorologist bill karins with your business travel forecast on this monday.
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cancer pills. >> isn't that crazy? illustrates i never knew that. >> that's crazy. >> as great as the iphone is, don't keep it in your back pocket. >> i don't usually do it -- well, it's over there. it came out shattered. >> front pocket. >> what are you going to do? thanks so much for watching. stick around. chuck todd is next. get ready for a lot of health care metaphors. code plus. with the shutdown behind us, for now the president would love to move on to immigration, perhaps a better budget deal, and let's face it, anything but another fight over health care, but the rocky roll-out i did a presidential pick-me-up. grumblings has turned into all-out rumbling as grass-roots heroes battle over blame and what the game plan is now. plus back in action. 5 1/2 years after heras

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